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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:14:09 -
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I don't think people have a problem with WoW refugees, or cosmetic items. The problem is when those refugees demand that Eve change its nature to suit them.
In short nobody wants Eve to become gentrified.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2015.04.30 02:32:51 -
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Trigg Savo wrote:Every game since WoW is basically a WoW clone on most levels.
Sandbox games are basically dead, with the exception of EVE. Monthly subscription models are basically dead, with the exception of EVE. Everything is F2P with a sub option for a more "complete" gaming experience, and everything else...all the fluff and eyecandy is offered through a cash market, a la SWTOR's Cartel Store.
It makes sense for CCP to adopt this model because it's a cash cow. The only way that makes sense is if CCP wants Eve to join the WoW clones in the dustbin of gaming history. They're never going to compete with Blizzard and win, countless other developers have tried and failed.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.04.30 23:27:13 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:In my experience shooting a miner or a freighter is no different from shooting a npc rat. If people want to act like NPC rats then they'll get treated as such.
Quote:The risk is all the same and your victim has no chance. The "victim" has every chance, they have access to the exact same tools and mechanics as the "griefers", that they choose not to use them is their problem.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.05.03 12:23:11 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: If you want to become dangerous prey, start acting like it.
Keeping with the animal analogy, an untanked afk Retriever in the belt is the sheep, the tanked up Procurer next to it with the player at the controls is the bad tempered Alpaca that makes predators thing twice.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:20:40 -
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Dyner wrote:Right now there is zero active character progression (ie XP gains) That right there is half of the appeal.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:37:55 -
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Entirely too generous tbh, it's more like this.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.05.04 16:23:28 -
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Deacon Abox wrote: Because really, when you get right down to it, it's not what skills your character has. It's what you do with the skills your character has. That is EVE. Nailed it.
What you do with the stuff CCP have provided is far more important than the stuff itself.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:32:19 -
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Dyner wrote:I get EVE. EVE is the real world...if we hadn't had the Dark Ages. If you can think of it offline; chances are you can do it in-game (ie Scamming, Pirating, Policing, Military Conquest, Economic Collapse, and a host more). All while flying a mother F-ing space ship!  And even with all that. EVE still feels like all the other MMOs I've played...once I get to the max level. -- Everything is just side upgrades. That's where you're going wrong, Eve doesn't have max levels , just as it doesn't have an endgame. Those side upgrades are there to further enhance your character.
Quote:I want to see my character become stronger.
....but that'll happen in 23 days, once I train this skill to Rank 5
......and another 10 days, once I train the skill that the previous skill required to Rank 4.
Or. I want to try this new avenue of gameplay; like Scanning/Exploration.
..oh.
It'll take about 20 days to properly train the skills needed. By then the "neatness" of this avenue has faded and meh has set in.
((This happened when I was training for Caldari Battleships; <3 Rokh)). SP is nothing without the ability to leverage that SP effectively; something which is entirely in the hands of the player, not CCP.
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To which, CCP has begun to do so. By trimming Skills Books, adding lower class ships that get you into that avenue of gameplay (Mining Frigs, Exploration Frigs, etc).
While it is true that CCP have removed some of the skillbooks, they have also introduced some new ones.
With reference to mining frigates and exploration frigates, CCP have certainly introduced some new one, but only to replace the existing ones that had their focus changed during teiricide.
Quote:So, hey, add a means of faster SP gains. Or add more ships that don't require a crap-ton of training to properly fly and I'll be happy. This already exists, they're called implants.
Quote:PS: Frig Wars...make it so! One word
RvB
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.05.04 18:00:46 -
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Dyner wrote:I would say "Max level" would be the ideal skills to fly a particular ship you've set your sights on. That's fair enough, but when you talk about other MMO's and max level characters in the same sentence most people will assume you mean a character that has hit the hard cap in those games, for example a lvl 85 in WoW Cataclysm.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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